Monday, November 16, 2009

Working on it

Ashamed to admit that I'm only about thirty pages into "What, Then, Does Dr Newman Mean?" Kingsly is putting it to Dr Newman for promoting such absurd acts of Popery as promoting the miraculous doings of St Walburga. Kingsly seems very angry by this point in the exchange, and I can't figure out exactly what's causing his rancor, as I thought Dr. Newman's side of the exchange very gentlemanly. I'm curious, Pentimento, about your observations on Victorian manners.

Looking forward to Newman's response.

8 comments:

Melanie B said...

Somehow I got a copy of the Apologia that didn't include any of the correspondence. (Should have done a bit more research before rushing out to buy the first thing that showed up on Amazon.) So I'm trying to read it online and finding it slow going. And too much of a temptation to click away and check my email when I get bogged down by Victorian sentences. I must say I find that language aside Kingsley's rant reminds me so very much of many exchanges I've seen in some of the more heated comment box exchanges.

Pentimento said...

I haven't started on Kingsley yet -- his pamphlet is in the back of my edition -- and I'm still on Chapter One. Yes, slow going indeed. I keep having to flip to the footnotes. However, I'm going to put something out there that occurred to me: Kingsley, proponent of "muscular Christianity," appears to me to have subtly cast aspersions against Newman's sexuality. I will write more when I've advanced a little further. Also, keep in mind that Kingsley is writing only a few years after the re-establishment of the Catholic hierarchy in England for the first time since the Reformation, and public sentiments were running high against Catholics. More soon.

mrsdarwin said...

I got held up tearing up the house looking for my college copy, then wasted more time being mad that I couldn't find it. So my new copy just arrived and I haven't started it. This is how a book club should be run!

Pentimento said...

I agree. I'm the worst person for a book club because having an assignment automatically makes me want to flout it.

Melanie B said...

Agreed. Then again there are some books that I'd never get through if I didn't have that "assignment" feeling.

Betty Duffy said...

I guess my copy is in chronological order from the beginning of the exchange--so I actually haven't read much of Newman's apologia. But I'm getting Kingsley's interpretation of his older writings--many of which are from before his conversion. I definitely hear what you're saying P, about Newman's sexuality. Kingsley makes Newman sound like a gullible fairy. K seems to have some bitterness about the celibacy of the priesthood, and the Catholic emphasis on chastity altogether.

Pentimento said...

I just posted a spiritual-historical timeline for Apologia.

Betty Duffy said...

Thank you. Very helpful!